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PostSubject: European Airspace Grounded !!!   European Airspace Grounded !!! I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2010 1:18 am

AMSTERDAM – Major airlines that sent test flights into European air space found no damage Sunday from the volcanic ash that has paralyzed aviation over the continent, raising pressure on governments to ease restrictions that have thrown global travel and commerce into chaos.

Is it safe to fly yet? Airline officials and some pilots say the passengerless test flights show that it is. Meteorologists warn that the skies over Europe remain unstable from an Icelandic volcano that continues to spew ash capable of knocking out jet engines.

European Union officials said air traffic could return to half its normal level on Monday if the dense cloud begins to dissipate. Germany allowed some flights to resume.

Eighty percent of European airspace remained closed for a devastating fourth day on Sunday, with only 4,000 of the normal 20,000-flight schedule in the air, said Brian Flynn, deputy head of operations for Eurocontrol, which supports the air traffic control network across the European Union's 27 states.

"Today it has been, I would say, the worst situation so far," Flynn said.

The test flights highlighted a lack of consensus on when to reopen the skies. The microscopic but potentially menacing volcanic grit began closing airports from Ireland to Bulgaria on Thursday, stranding countless passengers and leaving cargo rotting in warehouses.

"It is clear that this is not sustainable. We cannot just wait until this ash cloud dissipates," EU Transport Commissioner Siim Kallas told reporters at the European capital in Brussels.

KLM Royal Dutch airlines, the national German carrier Lufthansa, Air France and several regional airlines sent up test flights, probing altitudes where the cloud of ash has wafted over Europe since the volcano turned active on Wednesday. British Airways planned an evening flight over the Atlantic from Heathrow, one of Europe's busiest hubs.

None of the pilots reported problems, and the aircraft underwent detailed inspections for damage to the engines and frame.

"Not the slightest scratch was found" on any of the 10 empty long-haul planes Lufthansa flew Saturday to Frankfurt from Munich, spokesman Wolfgang Weber said. The planes flew at low altitude, between 3,000 and 8,000 meters (9800 and 26000 feet), under so-called visual flight rules, in which pilots don't have to rely on their instruments.

Steven Verhagen, vice president of the Dutch Airline Pilots Association, said he would not hesitate to fly an aircraft today carrying his own family.

"With the weather we are encountering now — clear blue skies and obviously no dense ash cloud to be seen, in our opinion there is absolutely no reason to worry about resuming flights," said Verhagen, a pilot of Boeing 737s for KLM. "We are asking the authorities to really have a good look at the situation, because 100 percent safety does not exist."

Civil aviation authorities in each country must decide whether to resume commercial traffic, but the 27-nation EU said if weather forecasts are correct it expected half its flights to operate normally on Monday. While it was still unclear how the dust would affect jet engines, the EU said it was encouraged by promising weather predictions, at least for the next 24 hours.

"Probably tomorrow one half of EU territory will be influenced. This means that half of the flights may be operating," said Diego Lopez Garrido, state secretary for EU affairs for Spain, which holds the rotating EU presidency. He did not provide details about which flights might resume.

France's transport minister, Dominique Bussereau, said there will be a meeting on Monday of European ministers affected by the crisis to coordinate efforts to reopen airspace.

Meteorologists warned that the situation above Europe was constantly changing because of varying winds and the continuing, irregular eruptions from the Icelandic volcano. That uncertainty is bumping up against Europe's need to resume flights.

"There is currently no consensus as to what consists an acceptable level of ash in the atmosphere," said Daniel Hoeltgen, a spokesman for the European Aviation Safety Agency. "This is what we are concerned about and this is what we want to bring about so that we can start operating aircraft again in Europe."

The ranks of stranded passengers, meanwhile, were growing, and many would be stuck for days even if restrictions were fully and immediately lifted.

Mike Parker, trying to return to London from Milan, had made it as far as Paris by Sunday. He stood in line for hours for a bus ticket, only to be told "there's nothing available, there's no trains, there's no planes, there's nothing."

"This is my third day and it looks like it might be another three days before I get back," Parker said.

Rognvaldur Olafsson, a spokesman with the Civil Protection Agency in Iceland, said Sunday the eruption is continuing and there are no signs that the ash cloud is thinning or dissipating.

"It's the same as before," he said. "We're watching it closely and monitoring it."

German air traffic control was the first on Sunday to loosen its ban on passenger flights, allowing some traffic from Frankfurt and airports in the north, but only for northern destinations. Eastward-bound flights were permitted from Berlin, Hannover, Erfurt and Leipzig. The Swiss Federal Office of Civil Aviation also began allowing some flights Saturday.

AccuWeather.com said the top of the ash plume had dropped to about 10,000 feet from 33,000 earlier in the week, putting it in the flight path of even low-flying aircraft. Shifts in the wind will increase the risk for the Netherlands and Germany on Tuesday and Wednesday, the forecaster said.

Ash and grit from volcanic eruptions can damage a plane in various ways. The abrasive ash can sandblast a jet's windshield, block fuel nozzles, contaminate the oil system and electronics and plug the tubes that sense air speed. The greatest danger is to the engines, where melted ash can then congeal on the blades and block the normal flow of air.

There are no recorded instances of fatal aircraft crashes involving volcanic ash, though several have suffered damage and some temporarily lost engine power.

Scientists say that because the volcano is situated below a glacial ice cap, magma is being cooled quickly, causing explosions and plumes of grit that can be catastrophic to plane engines.

"Normally, a volcano spews out ash to begin with and then it changes into lava, but here it continues to spew out ash, because of the glacier," said Reynir Bodvarsson, director of Swedish National Seismic Network.

Bodvarsson said the relative weakness of the eruption in Iceland also means the ash remains relatively close to the earth, while a stronger eruption would have catapulted the ash out of the atmosphere.

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Associated Press writers Karl Ritter in Stockholm, Greg Katz in London, Angela Charlton in Paris, Toby Sterling and Mike Corder in Amsterdam, Slobodan Lekic in Brussels, George Jahn in Vienna and Malin Rising in Stockholm contributed to this report.
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PostSubject: Re: European Airspace Grounded !!!   European Airspace Grounded !!! I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2010 12:00 pm

OK, I know it's making a lot of problems across Europe, and that the airlines are seriously struggling with the postponed flights and irate passengers, and all that ...

but I'm rather enjoying the peaceful skies ... we were at Craig's parents over the weekend for grandad's funeral, and this is normally right under the Birmingham Airport flight path ... and all we could hear was tweeting birdies and the occasional car traffic ... t'was great!


It's very interesting to see how much of an effect this has had on business in UK and Europe - we are obviously now sooo reliant on cheap, quick and easy air-travel.... Suspect Shocked Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: European Airspace Grounded !!!   European Airspace Grounded !!! I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2010 8:39 pm

Bogle the Dark Angel wrote:
irate passengers, and all that ...

I guess most people think they're the centre of the Universe.
Higher power, basta. Nothing to fuss about. Airlines commit so much shit throughout the year (losing luggage, overbooking flights..), might as well give them a break when it's not their fault for once Laughing Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: European Airspace Grounded !!!   European Airspace Grounded !!! I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2010 11:43 pm

I'm with you guys, not feeling bad for most parties involved. Like Bogle said, it is clear how much dependence we've developed on air travel nowadays. I do, however, feel bad who were on vacation overseas and are now stuck in Europe missing work and the like. But I heard Germany was running some flights still and there were ways to get out, so hopefully that worked out for most who had very important things to ship (i.e. medications and the like) or homes to get back too.
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PostSubject: Re: European Airspace Grounded !!!   European Airspace Grounded !!! I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2010 11:48 pm

Krissah wrote:
I'm with you guys, not feeling bad for most parties involved. Like Bogle said, it is clear how much dependence we've developed on air travel nowadays. I do, however, feel bad who were on vacation overseas and are now stuck in Europe missing work and the like. But I heard Germany was running some flights still and there were ways to get out
That was only for a short moment, but it allowed a friend of mine to return from his trip to Paris today.
Of course that wasn't a really bad situation anyway, since he could have taken the train, but the flight had already been paid, so..
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PostSubject: Re: European Airspace Grounded !!!   European Airspace Grounded !!! I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 20, 2010 7:21 am

I don't disagree with anyone here ...
The skies over Europe have been calm, quiet, clear, BLUE !!!
The planet could use a break from ALL the fucking pollution anyways !!! sunny sunny sunny
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PostSubject: Re: European Airspace Grounded !!!   European Airspace Grounded !!! I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 20, 2010 8:29 am

yeah - there's plenty of other ways to travel around Europe ... just slower is all .... guess the shipping lanes are gonna be a bit busier for the next week or two rabbit


Actually those stuck on holiday should be having a ball - free days when they should be back at work ... I wish I was stranded somewhere!!!
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PostSubject: Re: European Airspace Grounded !!!   European Airspace Grounded !!! I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 20, 2010 8:44 am

angry nate wrote:
I don't disagree with anyone here ...
The skies over Europe have been calm, quiet, clear, BLUE !!!
The planet could use a break from ALL the fucking pollution anyways !!! sunny sunny sunny

I don't disagree, but...I am pretty sure that volcano fucked up the atmosphere more than the flights would have.
In general, it's pretty crazy that in Germany, they make us pay 1.40€ per liter gas (they say it's for the environment, but they are worthless liars. They need the money) while flying has become so cheap.
One single return flight to Bolivia blasts as much CO2 into the atmosphere as ALL RACING CARS DURING AN ENTIRE SEASON OF F1 RACING TOGETHER Shocked Shocked Shocked At least that's what i read in a book, which might be outdated by now, but I don't think much has changed about that...
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PostSubject: Re: European Airspace Grounded !!!   European Airspace Grounded !!! I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 20, 2010 3:37 pm

Well Stoney, what ya mentioned, mankind can stop mankind from pollutimg the earth at will, whereas mankind cannot stop mother earth from doing wtf she wants to at will, can only avoid or try to the inevitable by stopping a lotta crap people do that may have cause / affect on such things like this volcano ...
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PostSubject: Re: European Airspace Grounded !!!   European Airspace Grounded !!! I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 20, 2010 3:41 pm

angry nate wrote:
Well Stoney, what ya mentioned, mankind can stop mankind from pollutimg the earth at will, whereas mankind cannot stop mother earth from doing wtf she wants to at will, can only avoid or try to the inevitable by stopping a lotta crap people do that may have cause / affect on such things like this volcano ...

Yeah, that's true.
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